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[oxanochka]

[Tamerlane]

"Как бы ты ее нарисовала, вспоминая ТЕ времена? Чел отвечает: " She would have a smile on her face to show that she was happy."

Просто хотел добавить, что при данном контексте можно сказать и
that she IS happy.

[qp]

нельзя;)

[Tamerlane]

Ну во всяком случае сейчас вроде разрешают в придаточном предложении сохранять настоящее время. В разговорной речи американцы такое делают.

[qp]

здесь прошлое имеется в виду ( см. ТЕ времена). Простое прошлое. Все просто;)

[qp]

Поэтому у Аскера "she WAS happy"

[mahavishnu]

Вся проблема в том, что аскер не знает, что спрашивает. Пусть даст побольше предложений. Что за секреты опять. И загадки. Есть там условность или просто констатация фактов.
По тому предложению, которое приведено выше, я не вижу никакого условия и нереальности. Поэтому опишите ситуацию и тогда будет видно реальность или нереальность. А так пока "She would put on a smile every time he would visit her just to show she was well and happy." - Опишите эту ситуацию другими словами.
А Каушанская хорошо всё объясняла, и ничего с тех пор в грамматике английского сильно не изменилось. Противопоставление used to+ Infinitive и would+Infinitive основано на другом:
used to+ Infinitive - is more colloquial, а и would+Infinitive is more literary

[mahavishnu]

См. Каушанскую стр. 103.

[lisap]

Даже ничего не додумывая, в этом отдельно взятом предложении - согласование времен. В главном стоит would have, поэтому в придаточном тоже должно быть прошедшее. Отсюда was. Судя по сбивчивым аскеровым объяснениям, это какой-то учебный материал - поэтому, новые правила и упрощения тут вряд ли работают.

Нет?

[qp]

имхо, никакого согласования здесь нет. Я БЫ + простое прошедшее
КЖ (вроде он) + 1

[lisap]

//Я БЫ + простое прошедшее// = второе условное, как я понимаю? Которого здесь, по моему мнению, нет :)

[qp]

второе никакое не условное, имхо. Не умею объяснять, судя по всему;)

[qp]

Teacher из меня никакой

[lisap]

//второе никакое не условное, имхо//

Мы с Вами друг друга не поняли)) Я имела в виду, что Вы имели в виду под фразой //Я БЫ + простое прошедшее//, что это second conditional sentence.

[qp]

ok:)

[oxanochka]

rкстати называется это правило сослагательное наклонение

[oxanochka]

Comment on the difference in meaning between the following pairs of sentences, and outline how you might teach these differences in meaning.

Example:
a) Claire is working late again; she’s so passionate about her work!
b) Jane is working late again; she’s so obsessed with her work!

In the first sentence, the word ‘passionate’ suggests that Claire’s reason for working late is that she is driven by a love for her job and a healthy desire to succeed. In the second sentence, the word ‘obsessed’ suggests that Claire’s reason for working late is that she lacks a healthy balance in her life. She is so fixated on her work that perhaps she doesn’t do anything else, or perhaps other areas of her life are negatively affected.

To teach it, I would draw two pictures (or bring in two photographs). The first would be of a person working at her desk in an office. I would show the time with a clock on the wall (showing 9:30 pm). She would have a smile on her face to show that she was happy (and passionate about her work!)
For the second sentence, I would have a picture of Jane at her desk in her office, but she would look tired (and a little stressed). The time would still be 9:30pm on the clock.
I hope these two examples would show the positive/negative aspects of the two sentences.

[Tamerlane]

да, здесь сослагательное наклонение, но, думаю, можно сказать
She would have a smile on her face to show that she IS happy (and passionate about her work!)

или вообще поставить всё в Present Simple:

She has a smile on her face showing that she is happy.

[oxanochka]

Вот и мне так показалось сначала, поэтому и задала вопрос. Но мне нужно точно знать, чтобы не сделать ошибки.

[qp]

А вы начните заново. Повеселимся;)

[silly.wizard]

ВАУ! 21.06.2011 16:34 - контекст!
настоястчий - какой ни за какие деньги не купишь! (с)

oxanochka, ну что же вы его сразу не показали?! или хотя бы когда я вас спрашивал (21.06.2011 2:22)
теперь же будете читать еще две страницы обсуждения, пока тут народ не договорится - а ведь вам нужно "точно знать, чтобы не сделать ошибки".... ыыыы

[mahavishnu]

Да, теперь настал наконец конец загадкам!
Это совсем другой usage глагола would. Сейчас обозначим.

[mahavishnu]

Would
Would is an auxiliary verb, a modal auxiliary verb. We use would mainly to:
- talk about the past
- talk about the future in the past
- express the conditional mood
We also use would for other functions, such as:
expressing desire, polite requests and questions, opinion or hope, wish and regret...
Notice that:
- Would is never conjugated. It is always would or 'd (short form).
- The main verb is always the bare infinitive.
- The main verb is always the bare infinitive. We cannot say:
I would to like coffee.
Be careful! Would and had have the same short form 'd:
He'd finished. (He had finished.)
He'd like coffee. (He would like coffee.)
Use of Would
would: Talking about the past
We often use would as a kind of past tense of will or going to:
Even as a boy, he knew that he would succeed in life.
I thought it would rain so I brought my umbrella.

Using would as as a kind of past tense of will or going to is common in reported speech:
She said that she would buy some eggs. ("I will buy some eggs.")
The candidate said that he wouldn't increase taxes. ("I won't increase taxes.")
Why didn't you bring your umbrella? I told you it would rain! ("It's going to rain.")

We often use would not to talk about past refusals:
He wanted a divorce but his wife would not agree.
Yesterday morning, the car wouldn't start.

We sometimes use would (rather like used to) when talking about habitual past behaviour:
Every weekday my father would come home from work at 6pm and watch TV.
Every summer we'd go to the seaside.
Sometimes she'd phone me in the middle of the night.
We would always argue. We could never agree.

would: Future in past
When talking about the past we can use would to express something that has not happened at the time we are talking about:

In London she met the man that she would one day marry.
He left 5 minutes late, unaware that the delay would save his life.
would: Conditionals
We often use would to express the so-called second and third conditionals:

If he lost his job he would have no money.
IfI had won the lotteryI would have bought a car.
Using the same conditional structure, we often use would when giving advice:

I wouldn't eat that if I were you.
If I were in your place I'd refuse.
If you asked me I would say you should go.
Sometimes the condition is "understood" and there does not have to be an "if" clause:

Someone who liked John would probably love John's father. (If someone liked John they would probably love John's father.)
You'd never know it. (for example: If you met him you would never know that he was rich.)
Why don't you invite Mary? I'm sure she'd come.
Although there is always a main verb, sometimes it is understood (not stated) as in:
I'd like to stay. | I wish you would. (would stay)
Do you think he'd come? | I'm sure he would. (would come)
Who would help us? | John would. (would help us)

would: Desire or inclination
I'd love to live here.
Would you like some coffee?
What I'd really like is some tea.
would: Polite requests and questions
Would you open the door, please? (more polite than: Open the door, please.)
Would you go with me? (more polite than: Will you go with me?)
Would you know the answer? (more polite than: Do you know the answer?)
What would the capital of Nigeria be? (more polite than: What is the capital of Nigeria?)
would: Opinion or hope
I would imagine that they'll buy a new one.
I suppose some people would call it torture.
I would have to agree.
I would expect him to come.
Since you ask me I'd say the blue one is best.
would: Wish
I wish you would stay. (I really want you to stay. I hope you will stay.)
They don't like me. I'm sure they wish I'd resign.
Note that all of these uses of would express some kind of distance or remoteness:

remoteness in time (past time)
remoteness of possibility or probability
remoteness between speakers (formality, politeness)

would: Presumption or expectation
That would be Jo calling. I'll answer it.
We saw a police helicopter overhead yesterday morning. | Really? They would have been looking for those bank robbers.
would: Uncertainty
He would seem to be getting better. (less certain than: He seems to be getting better.)
It would appear that I was wrong. (less certain than: It appears that I was wrong.)
would: Derogatory
They would say that, wouldn't they?
John said he didn't steal the money. | Well, he would, wouldn't he?
would that: Regret (poetic/rare) - with clause
This rare, poetic or literary use of would does not have the normal structure:

Would that it were true! (If only it were true! We wish that it were true!)
Would that his mother had lived to see him become president.

[qp]

Круто, аж голова закружилась

[mahavishnu]

Честно сказать, мне было крайне неприятно, что та моя ветка так бесславно закрылась. Хотел просто узнать, врут тут о России или не очень. Но, к сожалению, всё опять свели к name-calling and anti-semitism.

[silly.wizard]

mahavishnu, понимание этого предложения (23:39) требует нефиговой сонастройки с Вами. немногие на это пойдут ;)

[Ухтыш]

mahavishnu, Вы все о грамматике или уже на семантику перешли? ))