"engineer" vs. "российский инженер"

[Natasha_777]

Предлагаю обсудить соответствие этих терминов (вернее, большей частью их несоответствие).
Российский инженер - специалист с высшим техническим образованием.
"Их" engineer - и механик, и проектировщик, и даже верстальщиков они называют DTP engineer, экономиста могут обозвать cost engineer, а составителей контрактов (у нас в компании) - contracts engineer.
В общем, чем дальше, тем больше загадки в этом слове.
В связи с этим на днях такой вопрос возник: engineering degree - это степень в машиностроении или какое-то более общее определение?
Прошу поделиться соображениями (разными) по этому поводу.

[mamaMasha]

An engineer is someone who practices the engineering profession; a professional practitioner of engineering; someone who uses scientific knowledge to solve practical problems and produce goods for society.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineer

In most departments, the engineer is the person that drives the Fire Engine or Ladder Truck. They can be known by several names. "Driver" "Fire Equipment Operator" (FEO). "Chauffeur" and others. The engineer is also responsible for all of the equipment that is on the apparatus and making sure that it is clean and in good working condition. They also run the pumps, etc. when they are at a fire. If they are the driver of a truck, they are responsible for running the aerial device (ladder etc. ...
www.riotacts.com/fire/glossary.html

A person who uses scientific knowledge to solve practical problems. For ALMA an engineer's principle assignment will be to build and maintain the hardware.
www.mma.nrao.edu/development/computing/docs/joint/draft/Glossary.htm

person skilled in a branch of engineering, ie mining or construction
wells.entirety.ca/glossary.htm

a person who uses science and math to design, build or operate equipment, structures and systems (A person who receives a college degree in engineering might be an electrical, mechanical, industrial, chemical, environmental, biochemical or aeronautical engineer.)
education.jlab.org/beamsactivity/6thgrade/vocabulary/

(US): driver, engine driver, train driver (UK)
www.answers.com/topic/rail-terminology

Someone who applies a knowledge of math and natural science to practical ends, such as the design, construction and operation of structures.
www.newbaybridge.org/the_builders/job_glossary.html

person who designs, constructs and maintains works of public utility such as roads and bridges
www.idealcity.org.au/glossary.html

or District Engineer - A person designated or employed by the board of directors of a district to perform any or all of the engineering work authorized to be done by the district under this article.
co.coconino.az.us/improvementdistricts/definitions.asp

The member of the crew designated and qualified to operate a train over the territory to be traversed.
www.railfanusa.com/info/terms.html

Any registered engineer who designs all or a part of the Building Structural System and/or who produces all or a part of the Building Structural System Design Documents.
www.woodtruss.com/terminology.php

Responsible for the proper operation of all equipment on location and/or in editing. The Engineer maintains and repairs equipment, and configures it so that all operating items are integrated. This includes testing equipment to insure its integrity and trouble- shooting equipment during production and editing. May also be known as a Video Engineer or General Operator (not a Character General Operator which is found under Font Operator).
www.mca-i.org/articles/irs/glossary.shtml

Duly authorized agent of the Department acting within the scope of its authority for purposes of engineering and administration of the Contract.
www.dot.state.oh.us/construction/OCA/Specs/2002CMS/Specbook2002/100 General Provisions/101.htm

The crew member responsible for the physical operation of a freight or passenger train and for monitoring the locomotive's running condition.
www.lionel.com/GettingStarted/Guides/a-f.html

A person who plans and creates mechanic structures for a variety of uses.
regentsprep.org/Regents/global/vocab/topic_alpha.cfm

An individual who combines knowledge of science, mathematics, and economics to solve technical problems that confront society.
highered.mcgraw-hill.com/sites/0072480823/student_view0/glossary.html

An engineer, as a profession, is a person dedicated to the knowings and workings of mechanical, structural or dimensional expertise. Educated in the ways of bringing about a union between different energies or materials that ultimately, combine to create something new, an engineer may be an attempt to increase your awareness of different levels in life and, in how one makes them work in unity.
www.katiestanley.com/resources/dd/e.htm

Be a professional in cost effective engineering
apfilms.corradiation.net/badgeglossary.html

Responsible for maintenance of the boat's mechanical, motors, water system, compressors, & monitoring systems.
www.reefscuba.com/nauticalterms2.htm

[Natasha_777]

Спасибо за ссылки, но это не очень утешает :-)

В русском языке водитель - это водитель, слесарь - это слесарь, а инженер - только инженер и никто более.

И все-таки, как насчет engineering degree?

[melanie]

наверное, степень. вы же не переведете как градус инженера :)

[alk]

Смотрим Википедию
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Инженер
Инжене́р (фр. ingénieur, от лат. ingenium — способность, изобретательность) — специалист с высшим техническим образованием.
В широком смысле, инженер — специалист-разработчик чего-либо технически сложного методом системного структурного построения. Инженер занимается инжинирингом. В задачи инженера входит: руководствуясь заданной целью, спроектировать, разработать, всесторонне просчитать, протестировать продукт инжиниринга, подготовить его к реализации.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineer
An engineer is someone who practices the profession of engineering. Engineers use creativity, technology, and scientific knowledge to solve practical problems. The title "engineer" is normally used only by individuals who have an academic degree (or equivalent work experience) in one of the engineering disciplines. In some countries of Continental Europe the title is limited by law to people with an engineering degree, and the use of the title by others (even persons with equivalent work experience) is illegal.

В целом инженеры в английском и русском идентичны.
И там, и там иногда это слово используется совершенно не по назначению.
В русском, например, загадочная советская должность "старший инженер" для человека со средним образованием, работающего конторским служащим.