Тут и подвал есть, и чердак, и фальшпотолок

[faridovna]

Всем добрый день!

Помогите, пожалуйста, перевести предложение в таком контексте:

Дом большой, мест для упрятывания немало - тут и подвал есть, и чердак, и фальшпотолок.

Мой вариант:

The house is large, there is quite a number of hiding places – there are a basement and an attic and a false ceiling here. 

[Себастьян Перейра, торговец черным деревом]

Hi. Регистр снисходительно-гуттаперчевый надо р-а-с-т-я-н-у-т-ь.

There is pretty much space for hidden storage in this big house: both basement, attic and suspended ceiling.

[faridovna]

Большое спасибо!

[johnstephenson]

The house is large and there are[1] quite a lot of hiding places in it – both a basement, an attic and a (false/suspended) ceiling.

[1] In standard English, strangely, 'there are' is slightly better than 'there is' here, because it refers to 'hiding places' -- a plural noun -- rather than to 'a lot'.

Compare:

* 'There are a lot of cars in the town centre' [because 'cars' = a plural noun]

with:

* 'There is a lot of pollution in the town centre' [because 'pollution' = a singular noun]

[Lapelmike]

The house is huge; there are quite a few places to hide: a basement, an attic, even a dropped ceiling.

[AsIs]

Какой смысл после развернутого ответа от носителя языка давать неправильный вариант с диаметрально противоположным смыслом?

[Yellenochka]

Что-то я не понимаю, всегда both подразумевал "оба предмета", т. е. два. Но вариант уважаемого johnstephenson заставил засомневаться. Или "оба" в его варианте это "подвал" и "чердак и фальшпотолок"? А иначе три получается...

[johnstephenson]

AsIs: "Какой смысл ........":

Because it's a forum -- a discussion group in which several people (not just johnstephenson) exchange ideas and make suggestions. Also, I'm not the only "носитель [английского] языка" on the forum.

Yellenochka:

You're right, in that 99 times out of 100 'both' only applies to two things/people. However, it's also occasionally used stylistically for emphasis, to show that several (three or even more) things/people are being referred to, and not just one -- as in the Russian 'и ...... и ...... и ......'

" ['Both' is also] Used as a function word to ...... stress the inclusion of each of two or more things specified by coordinated words, phrases, or clauses " -- Merriam-Webster

Alternative ways of expressing it in the asker's example include:

* 'a ......, a ......, (and) even a ......' (as in Lapelmike's example);

and

* 'a ...... and a ......, as well as a ......'

[Aiduza]

AsIs: 

Вы будете удивлены, но "quite a few" означает "довольно много".

From "Practical English Usage" 4th Edition by Michael Swan:

Quite a bit and quite a few (informal) mean almost the same as quite a lot.

   We’re having quite a bit o f trouble with the kids just now.

   We thought nobody would be there, but actually quite a few people came.

[Aiduza]

From Collins COBUILD Advanced Learner's  Dictionary:

"You use the structure both…and when you are giving two facts or alternatives and emphasizing that each of them is true or possible. 

□ Now women work both before and after having their children.  □ Any such action would have to be approved by both American and Saudi leaders."

[johnstephenson]

Aiduza: "quite a few" означает "довольно много" +1

If you want to say 'очень немногие', it's 'very few' in English.

[10-4]

Подвал и чердак - помещения, а подвесной потолок - плоскость. Я бы заменил на space above/behind a suspended ceiling.

[Aiduza]

только не "a suspended ceiling", а "the suspended ceiling", ведь участники разговора знают, что речь идет о подвесном потолке в определенном помещении.

Я бы также предложил "the hollow space of the suspended ceiling" или  "the hollow space of the dropped ceiling".

[Yellenochka]

Большое спасибо за разъяснение, теперь понятно. Мне просто  раньше ни разу не встречалось такое употребление. Буду знать:))

[hsakira1]

There is quite a number of hiding places - Runglish

[hsakira1]

There is a whole bunch of places where one can hide things - ...

[Amor 71]

In this instance I would say "hiding spots" instead of "places".

[hsakira1]

Maybe yes, or maybe no

[Lapelmike]

  hsakira1

А я все ломал голову - как можно спрятаться  в фальшпотолке. Изначально неправильно понял смысл. Но все равно where one can - три слова, to - одно.

[Себастьян Перейра, торговец черным деревом]

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