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Subject: Общегражданский заграничный паспорт Помогите перевести Общегражданский заграничный паспорт
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you can't use ordinary here. regular or standard, perhaps maybe a 'national foreign passport' or 'All-Russia and the CIS travel passport' |
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"National foreign passport" sounds confusing. "Travel passport" will be the best translation |
| 'travel passport' is the best option in terms of recognition, but ultimately it all depends on what the original means by 'obshegrazhdanski'. if they only mean Russia or Russia and the republics, etc. |
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Kath: what CAN the "original" possibly mean, other than it being the phrase written on any travelling Russian's passport??? How on Earth can it possibly be an 'All-Russia and the CIS travel passport' - can one not travel to Turkey with it?? ОЗП = Travel Passport Паспорт гражданина РФ (только на русском яз.) = Domestic passport Easy |
| 2 little mo - i have never held a russian passport, i'm afraid. and i agree, EVERY travel passport, be it Russian, British or Chinese is still a travel passport. my only concern was that if you were making a distinction between British travel passport, US travel passport, etc., whether you needed to make that distinction with this one. |
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Consider these: ОЗП - International Passport внутренний - Domestic Passport/National Passport/Internal Passport (I don't like the last one but I have seen it used in U.S. sources describing Russian passport system.) Whatever you call it, you will probably need to do some explaining, since in most coutries people have just one passport. Some European countries (I believe Portugal is one of them) have what is called "National ID". I think this is as close as it gets to the Russian внутренний passport. |
| 2mm801 - apparently the US is on route to joining Portugal. I just got this from a friend http://www.unrealid.com/action.html |
| kath: Yep, I heard about that. Here in Utah, we even had a similar proposed measure on the ballot during the last fall's election. So, it seems like we are headed in that direction, too. :(( |
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link 12.05.2005 5:55 |
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ms, even if that ballot initiative had passed last novebmer, it could have, and i believe would have, been successfully challanged in the us supreme court. i just don't see how it could have possibly been enforced. so, ok, utah residents would have been required to apply for and carry a state id. and what about legal aliens, students, for ex? or tourists who flock to utah's ski slopes and film festivals? would they have been obliged to get a temporary utah id, or register with the police if they stayed in the state from more than three day? i just don't see this happenening, it is plain impractical. so fret not, ms801, unless a move toward this end is made inside the beltway, u will not be required to have a standard id in ur pocket. at least i hope not. on the subject, travel passport for OZP and internal passort for the other one should do the trick. |
| "Общегражданский" означает, что он не "служебный" и не "дипломатический". В самом же паспорте таких слов нет. Т.е. здесь ИМХО General, Regular Foreign Travel Passport. |
| корнет-а-пистон: I agree with what you are saying. The issue we voted on in Utah was not exactly about national IDs, although somewhat related to the subject. Our legislature wanted to introduce different driver licenses: one type for citizens and permanent residents and the other type for non-immigrants, which, I understand, would include those who come to the U.S. on any type of temporary visa. The proponents of this measure claim that this would help curb non-immigrants' access to benefits, to which they are not entitled, while granting them driving privileges regardless of immigration status. National IDs were discussed in conjunction with this issue, but were somewhat on the periphery of the discussion. |
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