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 D_i_m

link 16.10.2007 18:34 
Subject: National Identification Number
В американской анкете. Кто подскажет не перевод, а что это вообще такое (т.е. как в русском толковом словаре) ?

 mahavishnu

link 16.10.2007 19:05 
Это не из медицинской страховки?

 zheks

link 16.10.2007 19:11 
это при рождении каждому человеку дают персональный номер. и потом он везде числится не под ФИО, а под ID.....у нас такого нет....

 mahavishnu

link 16.10.2007 19:14 
Единственный идентификационный номер, который имеет каждый легальный житель Америки, есть SSN (нелегалам даётся/давался TPIN - tax payer identification number).
В других странах используется такое название.
Другой номер имеется на driver's license, у кого оно есть, конечно.
National Identification Number - такого нет.

 zheks

link 16.10.2007 19:52 
to mahavishnu:

как это так нет? очень даже есть...

A national identification number is used by the governments of many countries as a means of tracking their citizens, permanent residents, and temporary residents for the purposes of work, taxation, government benefits, health care, and other governmentally-related functions. Sometimes, the number will appear on an identity card issued by a country.

The ways in which such a system is implemented is dependent on the country, but in most cases, a citizen is issued a number at birth or when they reach a legal age (typically the age of 18). Non-citizens are issued such numbers when they enter the country.

Many countries issue such numbers ostensibly for a singular purpose, but over time, they become a de facto national identification number. For example, the United States originally developed its Social Security Number system as a means of disbursing Social Security benefits. However, due to functionality creep, the number has become utilized for other purposes to the point where it is almost essential to have one in order to, among other things, open a bank account, obtain a credit card, or drive a car.

United States
Main article: Social Security number (United States)
A Social Security number is a nine digit number resembling "123-45-1234" which is issued to an individual by the Social Security Administration of the government of the United States. Up until the 1980s, people often had no Social Security number until the age of about 15 or 16, since they were used for tax purposes and those under that age seldom had remunerative employment. In the 1980s, the law was altered so that persons without Social Security numbers could not be claimed as dependents on tax returns. Many parents now apply for Social Security numbers for their children as soon as the children are born. When a baby is born in a hospital, hospital staff generally offer to help the parents apply for Social Security by filling out and submitting the application for the parents. It was never intended to be a national identification number, and card inscriptions originally claimed for years that the Social Security card and number were not to be used for identification purposes, though it is widely used as one today.

Many political parties including Action For Justice (AFJ) consider the use of the SSN as a form of a National Identification Number (NIN) to be unconstitutional and violates among others, the fundamental right to privacy.

просто он по-разному в разных странах называется, но САМО notion- одно

 zheks

link 16.10.2007 19:52 
wikipedia mein Freund :)))

 summertime knives

link 16.10.2007 20:21 
это тот номер, который в будущем будет вшиваться людям под кожу. когда придет антихрист, он сможет по этому номеру узнать слуг сатаны. вроде можно отказаться от этого номера. за точность информации, к сожалению, не ручаюсь, но, думаю, что все равно стоит принять ее к сведению

 tumanov

link 16.10.2007 20:28 
Ну и что, что анкета американская?
Вот я живу в Эстонии, у меня такой номер есть.
Вот въезжаю я в америку, и спрашивают у меня с помощью анкеты: "Какой у тебя товарищ Исикукод?" А я им его в графу и вписываю.

И все довольны.

 mahavishnu

link 16.10.2007 20:42 
В американской анкете - NIN - in an immigration form(?) it may only mean an IN used in applicant's country of origin.

 mahavishnu

link 16.10.2007 20:44 
Sergey +1

 mahavishnu

link 16.10.2007 20:48 
2 summertime knives: I've heard of that, too. Can be quite true. It is a'comin'.

 summertime knives

link 16.10.2007 20:52 
вот-вот *шепотом*

 summertime knives

link 16.10.2007 20:50 
сдавленным шепотом

 mahavishnu

link 16.10.2007 20:57 
Another way of enslaving the masses is by use of plastic cards, I beg to suggest...

 mahavishnu

link 16.10.2007 20:59 
Hail Action For Justice (AFJ)!

 

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