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 sunrise111

link 27.07.2007 7:56 
Subject: позволяет сэкономить время, затрачиваемое
позволяет сэкономить время, затрачиваемое - allows to saving time spent ?

Вообще после allow идет глагол с инговым окончанием?

 iliana

link 27.07.2007 7:58 
после allow идет с инговым окончанием, а фразу в зависимости от окончания предложения можно сказать по -разному.

 Semizvetik

link 27.07.2007 8:00 
to save time spent on

 sunrise111

link 27.07.2007 8:02 
allows to saving time spent ?
сорри, allows saving time spent, без to

 D-50

link 27.07.2007 9:17 
контекст когда будем давать, а?

 Igor Kravchenko-Berezhnoy

link 27.07.2007 9:23 
Может, и просто: would save time stent on/needed to - кантэкст пакажит

 PERPETRATOR™

link 27.07.2007 9:25 
можно просто saves time. тем более, что allows требует после себя местоимения.

 tumanov

link 27.07.2007 9:25 
... saves time for (drinking etc.)
imho just as simple as that....

... or helps to save time for (название процесса)

 Nattie

link 27.07.2007 9:38 
93 700 гуглей для "allows to save" и 89 800 гуглей для "allows saving".
Это Word подчеркивает "allows to" как ошибку, а, на самом деле, его можно использовать. имхо

 PERPETRATOR™

link 27.07.2007 9:40 
Я тоже раньше думал, что можно использовать, но меня здесь убедили, что это неграмотно. На том и стою.

 D-50

link 27.07.2007 9:45 
зачем здесь allow вообще?

без контекста:
....saves (the) time required for....

 tumanov

link 27.07.2007 9:50 
увы всего одна ссылка из гугла, зато какая...

http://kilana.unibe.ch:8080/SCG/59

 Nattie

link 27.07.2007 10:08 
tumanov, процитируйте, пожалуйста!
Мне связь с www (за исключением мтрана) обрезали ;(

 PERPETRATOR™

link 27.07.2007 10:18 
Never Say Allow To Again
The construct allow to (or allows to) is not correct in English, since allow must take an object. The following examples are from various thesis drafts, and illustrate what to avoid:

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Unfortunately, this type does not allow to use arbitrary (user defined) types in the component interfaces...
You must supply the object, as in allow programmers to use.

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Removing an entity from this selection, for example a class, causes also to remove all entities which are associated with it ...
You can't say causes to remove since the object is missing. Use active voice by introducing a object (causes CodeCrawler to remove) or use the passive voice (causes all entities to be removed).

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We advise to remove all stand-alone nodes from the graph, as they are of no use in this case.
Same problem. Better would be: We advise the user to remove ...

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All of these examples require an object, such as the user, or one.
A composition language must allow to make the architecture of an application explicit in the corresponding source code.
A weakly typed language ... allows to reuse components in a way not foreseen by the designer.
... there exist many scripting languages which allow to port their source to different platforms or environments ...
Each Bourne shell script has a set of predefined variables which allow to easily access the command line arguments passed to the script ...
... the runtime system allows to pin such objects ...
We claim that any well-developed system for software composition should allow to specify such dependencies and solve the corresponding problems automatically.
A cleaner solution of this problem would be to define a (possibly configurable) adaptor for foo which allows to invoke the service also under the name bar.

 Nattie

link 27.07.2007 10:35 
Спасибо, PERPETRATOR™.
Источник, надо полагать, авторитетный..

 Igor Kravchenko-Berezhnoy

link 27.07.2007 13:24 
2 Nattie,

Не сомневайтесь - allow + to безграмотно.

 

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