Subject: OFF: Japenglish, Korenglish, and So-On-(En)glish (Franglais is also welcome)
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2АО вот еще один пример. отлично иллюстрирует отношение к переводу: (а это название достопримечательности, между прочим) |
risu: я просто сужу по внешнему виду. Имхо, китайские иероглифы можно внешне отличить от японских именно потому, что они более сложные "по рисунку". Конечно, этого нельзя сказать по одному-двух инероглифам, но если их штук пять и больше, то эта разница видна. |
слав, отличишь?) в смысле какой из них какой? キツネ(狐)は、一般的には哺乳綱 ネコ目(食肉目) イヌ科 キツネ亜科 キツネ属 に属する動物の総称である。ただし実際には、日本に生息する唯一の種であり、キツネ属の代表種でもある アカギツネを特に指していうことが多い。 拜占庭帝国位于欧洲东部,领土曾包括亚洲西部和非洲北部,是古代和中世纪欧洲历史最悠久的君主制国家。拜占庭帝国共历经12个朝代;93位皇帝和女皇。帝国的首都为新罗马。拜占庭帝国的疆域在11个世纪中不断变动。色雷斯、希腊和小亚细亚西部是帝国的核心地区;今日的土耳其、希腊、保加利亚、马其顿、阿尔巴尼亚从4世纪至13世纪是帝国领土的主要组成部分;意大利和原南斯拉夫的大部、西班牙南部、叙利亚、巴勒斯坦、埃及、利比亚和突尼斯也曾经是帝国的國土。主流观点认为,330年君士坦丁大帝建立新罗马、罗马帝国政治中心东移,是拜占庭帝国成立的标志。1453年,它被奥斯曼帝国永久灭亡。 |
Alexander Oshis ✉ moderator |
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link 15.03.2007 14:10 |
Я знаю! Японский сверху — я там вижу знакомые закорюки. |
To Alexander Oshis: это нечестно, я тоже хотел так сказать! :-( |
Alexander Oshis +1 Slava тож плюс один. |
He who is ignorant of other languages is ignorant of his own. Goethe |
risu, а я всегда думала наоборот - если свой язык худо-бедно выучить не смог, то иностранный точно не освоишь. Так что несогласна я с Гете ;)) |
esp. for AO (bulk preserved whatever): A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any other invention in human history, with the possible exception of handguns and tequila. Mitch Ratcliffe |
2 tentra: хм. может, там такая хитрая взаимосвязь... в обе стороны )) |
Alexander Oshis ✉ moderator |
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link 16.03.2007 7:53 |
risu, спасибо! И за объяснение, и за фотку с THERETRDSPECTIENTOWER, и за цитату из Рэтклиффа. Слава, признаю, это я схулиганил. :о) |
Alexander Oshis, *smiles* + еще одна смешная для Вас (и всех читающих): We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce the complete works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know that is not true. |
[China]: первый раз вижу, чтоб так делили |
[там же]: ну, сто процентов баг в проге (干)! ну, вот все больше в этом уверяюсь! хотя ничего так слоган получился... |
link: 曲明媚 очень даже. The biggest pressure of learning English in China is from the government; all college students have to pass all kinds of English exam in actions, regardless of what major are. There are two national English exams held twice a year, nearly all college students strive to pass them, which leads to the passive learning of English. This is one of the reasons of the existence of the Chinglish. Li Yue, college student from Beijing, hopes to graduate next year. “I failed twice already and I've got only one more chance. If I fail again, I will not be allowed to graduate.” Majoring in Decorating and Design, Li Yue feels upset that she and her classmates have to spend so much time studying for an exam which has nothing to do with her major. They have to spend most of their time doing English exercises, and they have to reduce the time spent on their major. But in the future, it is their major that really counts rather than English, and although there is the conflict, they can't do anything about it. In view of the influence on the development of Chinglish in china, more and more academics are questioning the need of all college students learning English, especially Chinglish rather than native English. An associate professor at the renowned University started a widespread discussion on the Internet last September after publishing an article questioning the use of Chinglish and the current fever for English language study. He said he was astounded by the response he got to his article. Over 400 websites published it and there were 10 million or so replies to it. Under the situation of hot fever of English passive learning, I have believed the Chinglish will exist and have a long way to go in China in the future. [...] We have shown that Chinese and English belong to totally different linguistic systems. Students without a cultural basis for their language learning often ignore these differences and accept, even create Chinglish, which will lead to their inability of learning and using good, correct English. Therefore, we have to overcome or even control the use of Chinglish, though it did contributed to the development of English in China. Some measures have to be taken in the effort to control the use of Chinglish. The Beijing local government set a good example. It recently launched a campaign to eliminate Chinglish before the 2008 Olympic games. Street signs are being re-written and foreigners are being asked to call a hot line to report examples of Chinglish to the government in order for them to be rectified. Little by little, we would learn from native speakers to write and speak good English. In short, we can not deny the existence of the Chinglish, rather we should accept it as a fact that cannot be avoided in the process of learning or even as a variation in Chinese context. With the development of English teaching and learning, with the more demanding of English communication in China, we should make great efforts to eliminate the use of Chinglish, and strive to learn not only correct but also appropriate English.
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On holiday recently in Mexico, we got chatting to a couple in the bar and discovered they were from Austria. "Oh wow," said my girlfriend. "Do you speak Ostrich?" FHM True Stories |
По поводу китайцев, по-моему, бывают самые клинические случаи в отрасли. Немного не в тему, так как мои немногочисленные случаи столкновения с Chinglish происходили на почве технической и вышибали не смех, а слезу. Вот, сохранила когда-то, но, к сожалению, ссылку на сайт не оставила: Все приведенные здесь примеры взяты из "A Chinese-Russian Beijing Dialect Dictionary", выпущенного Guangdong Education Publishing House в 2000 году. По его номинальной стоимости в 6.5 юаней, словарь можно приобрести в больших книжных магазинах Пекина, Шанхая или Гуанджоу. ФОРМА СОСТАВЛЕНИЯ СЕРИИ ПО ПОСОБИЯМ ВНЕШНЕГО КИТАЙСКОГО РАЗГОВОРНОГО ЯЗЫКА. |
ynina, На днях я раздосадуюсь, ничего мне не хочется делать. Тип, ты не боишься соревноваться со мной? Пусть ты пробуй мою свирепость!плакала ))) She's Also Got New York Sarcasm Down Pat Blonde girl: So, you're from Puerto Rico and you just moved here? Wow, that's so exciting! Do you speak Puerto Rican? --Tisch Hospital, 33rd & 1st Overheard in NY |
Professor to silent class: Come on, what do you think? Someone say something. It's kind of like sex. Sometimes you don't want to do it, but you have to do what you have to do. --Columbia University Overheard in NY |
Thug holding up cigarette: Sulfur? Suit: Huh? Thug: Fire? Suit: What? Thug: Burn? Suit: I don't... Uh... Thug: Spark? Suit: Wha--? Thug: Blaze? Old black woman in nurse's uniform at next table: He wants to know if you have a match. Learn to speak English, nigga! --Wendy's, Fulton Mall, Brooklyn Overheard in NY |
вот обнаружилось из разряда русский английский: ... на углу Воздвиженки и большого Кисловского переулка на окнах магазинчика "Парфюмерия" прохожий видит два таких "подзаголовка": СКИН ЭССЕНШЕНС и УХОД ЗА ТЕЛОМ. |
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link 25.03.2007 9:29 |