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 Nina79

link 18.04.2007 12:35 
Subject: force majuere
Ok, working on a contract and frankly i think the russian sounds a bit odd and have not stuck to it as much as they like me to here. so can someone tell me if the English trans of this thing has the same meaning or if i have missed some tonkosti in the russian and should worry?

thanks! thanks! thanks!

TRANSLATION
Force Majeure Circumstances by which the Parties mean ex situ and extraordinary circumstances not foreseeable at the moment of the signing of this Agreement and, arising in spite of the volitions and aspirations of the Parties and, the effects of which the Parties were unable to prevent and were outside the reasonable control of the Parties. Force Majeure Circumstances shall include war and military actions, epidemics, fires and natural disasters which hinder the execution of obligations hereunder.
ORIGINAL
Обстоятельств непреодолимой силы, под которыми Стороны понимают внешние и чрезвычайные события, отсутствовавшие во время подписания настоящего Договора и наступившие помимо воли и желания Сторон, действия которых Стороны не могли предотвратить мерами и средствами, которые оправданно и целесообразно ожидать от добросовестно действующей Стороны. К обстоятельствам непреодолимой силы относятся война и военные действия, эпидемии, пожары, природные катастрофы, делающие невозможным исполнение обязательств по настоящему Договору.

 Alex16

link 18.04.2007 13:12 
IMO: not foreseeable at the moment of the signing of this Agreement - которые нельзя было предвидеть на момент...

the effects of which the Parties were unable to prevent and were outside the reasonable control of the Parties - и последствия которых Стороны не могли предотвратить и которые находились за пределами разумного контроля Сторон.

Да, звучит грубовато, но юристы привыкли к такой трактовке.

natural disasters - стихийные бедствия

 Nina79

link 18.04.2007 13:25 
Да, звучит грубовато, но юристы привыкли к такой трактовке.

did you mean the russian or the english translation?

 Edict

link 18.04.2007 14:46 
Nina79
Guess you are right, you should worry cuz your English deserves a more careful treatment.

 Nina79

link 18.04.2007 14:52 
edict
in what respect?

 sergey131

link 19.04.2007 9:48 
Dear, Nina. I worship the fact that you're a native speaker. It's a great pleasure to meet you. But I dare to propose your attention my humble variant,that seems to me more expedient for your Russian-English translation:
You can make it more perfect, of course, but I tried to convey more exact phrases' meaning.

… отсутствовавшие во время подписания настоящего –
… absent during the signing of the present Agreement …

… не могли предотвратить мерами и средствами, которые оправданно и целесообразно ожидать от добросовестно действующей Стороны. -
… were unable to prevent by the means, which could be legitimately and
expediently expected from the Party,acting in good faith.

… делающие невозможным исполнение обязательств по настоящему Договору -
… which makes it impossible to execute the obligations of the Agreement.

 Nina79

link 19.04.2007 10:19 
i like them except for the third. thanks for the suggestions. i thought about the absent thing, but wasnt sure of it in the end (actually i think i just dont like the way it sounds). I am going to have to ask an English lawyer which way is better. not forseeable or absent. i think they both work really and both have the same meaning (in my opinion) but i need to check with a lawyer if they do have the same meaning.

by the way - do not worship the fact that i am a native speaker. we are all native speakers of something. :) remember that the next time you want to worship me. Your language is just as hard and just as beautiful and also in high demand at the moment.

 sergey131

link 19.04.2007 13:30 
… "отсутствовавшие" exactly means in Russian: they were not present; and your by the way may use everything that conveys that meaning - that is a goal of translation (i suppose)
As to the third sentence, yes, there is a ballpark.
PS. Sorry for the verbosity.

 

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