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 alex.k

link 30.11.2005 13:39 
Subject: Употребление артиклей ling.
Despite the persistent shortage of rubles in the banking system, market participants were reluctant to sell long-dated foreign currency instruments.

Какой здесь нужен артикль: a, the, или без артикля?

 d.

link 30.11.2005 13:42 
zero or the, imHo

 gogolesque

link 30.11.2005 13:43 
THE

 Стив Батькович

link 30.11.2005 13:45 
я бы оставил the

 KM

link 30.11.2005 13:46 
zero

 gogolesque

link 30.11.2005 13:47 
KM
please dont argue, you need an article here, and the article is THE

the only way to not use an article is to make shortage plural and say "despite persistent shortageS"

 мilitary

link 30.11.2005 13:48 
ну по правилам то the.

d.,KM, а почему Вы считаете что и с нулевым будет правильно? именно правильно, а не можно.

 Slava

link 30.11.2005 14:08 
THE, конечно. О конкретном, определенном shortage идет речь. Опустить артикль можно было бы, если бы это был заголовок.

 kath

link 30.11.2005 16:32 
the

 ms801

link 30.11.2005 18:39 
The

 alex.k

link 1.12.2005 10:00 
А вот мнение по этому вопросу native speaker (англичанина, по должности - редактора): он ставит "а". И объясняет это следующим образом:

I think the answer is that “shortage” is an abstract noun that is always used in a concrete sense: I can’t think of an example when the word would be used without an article.

A shortage of something concrete is perceived by sight; a shortage of rubles in the banking system is by definition perceived not by the senses, but by the mind. I guess this blurs the meaning of abstract noun, but I can’t come up with any other reason.

 d.

link 1.12.2005 10:03 
вы редактору контекст дали? у вас ведь шортиджь с определением, а не просто "a shortage of smth"
про нулевой артикль я погорячился, пожалуй

 gogolesque

link 1.12.2005 10:05 
alex. k
but this is a concrete and specific shortage - not a generalization - so i would use "the"
you can probably use either one. just need to decide "how concrete" the shortage is maybe?

 alex.k

link 1.12.2005 14:01 
Не ясен ни смысл артикля "a", ни смысл артикля "the", ни нулевого артикля. Кто-нибудь четко может изложить, объяснить в соответствии с правилами?

 gogolesque

link 1.12.2005 14:14 
alex. k
в соответствии с правилами? you're funny... even if there is a rule i bet this will be an exception of some kind (we all know english is that kind of lady)

i still say "the" becasue we are talking about a specific shortage. it would be the same if you said "this" if the shortage was spoken of right before this sentence. it is a definite thing and is one of kind in its own context. holding firm - THE

 ms801

link 2.12.2005 8:08 
I don't particularly feel like arguing with a fellow native speaker (especially an editor), but "the" still sounds better to me here. I am sure there may be hypothetical situations when "a" is justified, but in this context, I vote for "the".

 gogolesque

link 2.12.2005 8:25 
ms801
i am with you on this one too. as a native speaker it just seems more like this is the way it should be... dont know why, just a sense in the back of my brain somewhere.:) i hate when i cant explain why though :(

 

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