Ведунья Vs Ведьма

[Tasha_Ru]

Добрый день,
Подскажите, пожалуйста, как отобразить в английском языке эти два понятия (Ведунья и ведьма), чтобы в первом случае было положительное значение, а во втором отрицательное.
Подходят ли варианты Sorceress and Witch?
Спасибо.

[bobe]

enchantress ( чародейка ) или sorceress - знахарка
hag, harridan - ведьма

[askandy]

ведунья - политкорректная ведьма :)

[nephew]

hag, harridan - это "ведьма" в смысле "карга", магических способностей у нее нет.
Tasha_Ru, контекст нужен.

[askandy]

sorceress
In fairy stories, a sorceress is a woman who performs magic by using the power of evil spirits. = witch
(с) Collins COBUILD Advanced Learner's English Dictionary

[Tasha_Ru]

мне нужно ведунья от слова "ведать истину"

Орден (Иезуитский )направлял усилия своих солдат лишь на борьбу исключительно с еретическими тенденциями, в числе которых считались и все древние языческие вполне здоровые верования
Около тринадцати миллионов Ведунь и Ведунов (ложно – Ведьм и Ведьмаков, несущих негативное содержание!) было уничтожено инквизицией.

Спасибо

[HarryWharton&Co]

White Witch, Black Witch - sounds kinda catchy.

[kondorsky]

Benign Witches are witches who use their power to help other people. They prepare potions to heal the sick and use their magic to protect them

http://thelastapprentice.wikia.com/wiki/Witches

White Witch насколько я помню - Белая ведьма в Хрониках Нарнии. Она была уж никак не положительный персонаж

[nephew]

инкивизиция не делила магию на белую и черную и не считала языческие верования вполне здоровыми.
я б думала в направлении keepers of ancient knowledge

[kondorsky]

Так там так и написано, что "Около тринадцати миллионов Ведунь и Ведунов (ложно – Ведьм и Ведьмаков, несущих негативное содержание!) было уничтожено инквизицией".

[nephew]

я к тому, что любые попытки развести добрых ведуний и злых ведьм в контексте инквизиции/здравого смысла непереводимы

[HarryWharton&Co]

The White Witch in the Chronicles was an exception... (apparently; never read it)

What about:

"The Enchantress and the Witch"

or, for the hell of it:

Beauty and the Bitch, The Wife and the Mother-in-Law

[Inadzuma]

Есть устаревшее "ведун/ведунья" - witch doctor. Не знаю, насколько подходит Вам. Насколько я понимаю, нужно подчеркнуть именно "практическую полезность" ведунов.

[Tasha_Ru]

Скажите, а enchanter соответствует описанию "человек, воспринимающий мир через единение с ним ", т.е keeper не древних знаний, а знаний о мире, природе?

[Монги]

прям друиды какие-то...

[bobe]

Enchantress may refer to:

Magician (paranormal), a magician or spell-caster, sometimes called an enchantress or witch when female
Seduction, the enticement of one person by another, called a seductress or enchantress when it is a beautiful and charismatic woman

Folklore

Alkonost, a legendary bird in Slavic mythology, with the body of a bird with the head and chest of a woman
Gamayun, a prophetic bird of Russian folklore, a symbol of wisdom and knowledge, depicted as a large bird with a woman's head.
Huldra, in Scandinavian folklore, a stunningly beautiful woman with long hair; though from behind she is hollow like an old tree trunk and has an animal's tail
Lilith, in Jewish folklore, a woman or demon that appears in creation myths, according to one tradition, she left Adam because she refused to be subsurvient to him
Melusine, in European folklore, a feminine spirit of fresh waters in sacred springs and rivers, depicted as a woman who is a serpent or fish from the waist down
Mermaid, in Middle Eastern, Greek and British folklore, a legendary aquatic creature that is a woman above the waste and a fish below
Mohini, in Hindu mythology, the only female avatar of the god Vishnu, portrayed as a femme fatale, who maddens lovers, sometimes leading them to their doom
Naiad, in Greek mythology, a type of nymph who presided over fountains, wells, springs, streams, and brooks
Nereid, in Greek mythology, nymphs associated with freshwater streams and springs, could be dangerous to handsome men, as they were lustful and jealous
Oceanid, in Greek and Roman mythology, the three thousand daughters of the Titans Oceanus and Tethys, each was the patroness of a particular spring, river, sea, lake or pond
Ondine, in European folklore, water nymphs found in forest pools and waterfalls, could gain souls by marrying a man a bearing a child
Oshun, in Yoruba mythology, a goddess who reigns over love, intimacy, beauty, wealth and diplomacy, she is beneficent and kind, but has a terrible temper
Pincoya, in Chiloean mythology, a cheerful and sensual female water spirit of the Chilotan Seas that is of incomparable beauty and rises from the depths of the sea
Rusalka, in Slavic mythology, a female ghost, water nymph, succubus or mermaid-like demon that dwells in a waterway, sometimes luring handsome men to their deaths
Sihuanaba, in South American folklore, a woman cursed by a god, she first appears as a beautiful woman and lures men into gorges, then they see her true hideous form
Siren, in Greek mythology, three creatures portrayed as bird-women who lured sailors with their enchanting voices to shipwreck on the rocky coast of their island
Sirin, Russian versions of the Sirens, portrayed with the head and chest of a beautiful woman and the body of a bird, usually an owl, later symbolized world harmony
Succubus, a female demon from medieval folklore who seduces men in their dreams to drain their energy, usually through intercourse, originally had a horrific appearance
Yuki-onna, in Japanese folklore, a spirit who appears on snowy nights as a tall, beautiful woman with long black hair and red lips, originally portrayed as evil

[nephew]

нет, не соответствует
enchant 1.1 trans. To exert magical influence upon; to bewitch, lay under a spell. Also, to endow with magical powers or properties. Also fig. OED

на слово Wicca погуглите, должны быть восторженные и обтекаемые дефиниции

[askandy]

enchanter

(in stories) a man who has magic powers that he uses to control people

(с)Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary, 7th edition (2005)

а в целом nephew+1, ибо переводим выдумку, завернутую в словоблудие
.... и 13млн ... автор жжет... это больше, чем все взрослое население средневековой Италии...

[Tasha_Ru]

Спасибо всем большое.

[bobe]

I’ll make the stars fall out of the sky
Make the seas and the rivers run dry
There is nothing I can’t do
Lord I’ll put my spell on you

Praise the mountains down to the ground
Make the clouds and the rain fall down
There is nothing I can’t do
Lord I’ll put my spell on you

Chorus:

I’m your witchdoctor woman
And I’m gonna put my spell on you
I’m your witchdoctor woman
Lord I got my mind on youI’
ll make the stars fall out of the sky
Make the seas and the rivers run dry
There is nothing I can’t do
Lord I’ll put my spell on you

Praise the mountains down to the ground
Make the clouds and the rain fall down
There is nothing I can’t do
Lord I’ll put my spell on you

Chorus:

I’m your witchdoctor woman
And I’m gonna put my spell on you
I’m your witchdoctor woman
Lord I got my mind on you

[Tasha_Ru]

думаю подойдет wiccan (больше всего соотвествует тексту) Нашла с помощью всех ваших рекомендаций, спасибо большое!!! можно еще добавить neopagan wiccan
Как вы думаете, отобразит ли то, что хотел сказать автор?

[Монги]

почему "neopagan"???

в оригинале ж вроде про средние века, нет?

[Tasha_Ru]

ну да, тогда без нео- ?

[askandy]

из без Wicca, которая developed in England in the first half of the 20th century

[definite]

С учетом контекста тут хорошо подойдут wisemen and wisewomen.

Ср.: Those who used their magic for good were called cunning folk or charmers or blessers or wisemen and wisewomen. Those who were perceived by others as using their magic to curse and harm were called witches.
http://scandalouswoman.blogspot.com/2010/04/guest-blogger-mary-sharratt-on-british.html

И +1 ко всем, кто осудил бредовость исходника.