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Subject: написание даты Пожалуйста, помогите с порядком расположение в написании даты на английском языке:в русском 25.05.2004, а в английском 2004.05.25 или также как в русском языке? |
| olcha, that depends. in AE, 05.25.04, in BE the same as in russian, 25.05.04 see who it is for, americans or brits, and choose acordingly |
| An unambiguous "25-May-2004" format is gaining more popularity in Canada, for obvious reasons. |
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THE unambiguous "25-May-2004" format. u refer here to this format, and this format only, hence the definite article. consider omitting more, as in gaining popularity. more is implied and stylistically awkward. since u consider urself humble, as opposed to the arrogant evil me, let's see how much humility u have to swallow ur mistakes |
| Game, - An unambiguous "25-May-2004" format is gaining more popularity in Canada, for obvious reasons - I am trying to think... More popularity than what - and why with the dashes? and why for obvious reasons? (just curious) |
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Ouch! 25 May 2004 (without the hyphen) would be the British way, however it is also gaining popularity in the US (much cleaner without the commas). |
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kath, i couldn't find any good links on "ultimatism." the only half-way meaningful one described ultimatism as an attempt to rape the working class :-) i know it is all rubbish, but at least it shows the word does exist. a friend of mine back home has a 4 volume dictionary of philosophy. i will look it up for u when i get back, if u r still interested, that is. but i know it means refusal to compromise, to budge. i just can't seem to dig up any links to support my claim. olga, sorry to post off topic on ur thread. |
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u wouldn't believe, but it just occured to me to check multitran, and it's got it! http://www.multitran.ru/c/m.exe?HL=1&L1=1&L2=2&EXT=0&s=ultimatism how dumb is that to scour the net in a fruiltess pursuit of good links when all the while what i needed was right under my nose? (that's a rhetorical question, u don't need to point out *how* dumb :-) |
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2 talgat: I showed the sentence to my husband (native speaker), he said it is fine with “an”. In this case, it means “one” (of many) 2. alexamel unambiguous - because nobody has to wreck his/her brains trying to figure out the actual date (2.1.2005 – is it 1st of February or 2nd of January?). One company I worked for had to change their in-house document formatting procedures and adopt the above mentioned format for dates, because there was complete confusion with dates on documents going to/ coming from all over the world. If you don’t believe me, open MSExcel, go Format/Cell, click on the Number tab and choose Date. Have a look at all date formats available. As far as “gaining more popularity”, I am not sure I understand your question. Is it that you don’t think that “more” can be used without “than”? Well, then. If somebody says, “I would like some more information.” Will you ask “More than what?” |
| game, it is allways the native speaker husbands, who alas cannot be reached for comment ;((. ah, game, game, not so humble after all. just admit u made a mistake, and get over it. and u call me arrogant. it is like the pot calling the kettle black. :-) |
| game, one of many 25-may-2004 formats? do u realize it makes no sense? 25-may-2004 is sui generis, one and only. so, what article do we need to use here? right, definite. good girl. take a cooky. |
| Game, I had no problem with your "unambiguous" - if you scroll up, that was someone else's playground. "Gaining more popularity (than)" was my knee jerk, no problem with that - disregard (Canada is Canada.) But (forget the dashes - and hard feelings :)))) - why for "obvious reasons"?.. |
| Game - no hard feelings, okay? You are cool, as are most of your suggestions. Talgat and I are not on the same team when we seem to be picking at you (or anyone). This was an electronic coincidence. |
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Talgat, thanks for looking for ultimatism. I do believe you, i only wanted to see for myself. Re. article war - in this instance both versions (an/the) are right, depending on what the writer wanted to say. consider: an open book/the open book. both are right but mean a slightly different thing. And finally, onto 'obvious reasons' - according to Strunk and Whites 'Elements of Style' (bible for writers and copyeditors), "a parenthetic expression must be enclosed in commas, as in May 25, 2004. However, it is customary to omit the comma in 25 May 2004. The last form is an excellent way to write a date; the figures are separated by a word and are, for that reason, quickly grasped." UK legal always uses the latter standard, however in the US the former standard is preferred, although it is changing precisely for reasons sited by Strunk and White - ease of grasp (an obvious reason :). Now please, everyone, make friends and avoid bloodshed. Good night. |
| kath, but it is not anything like an open book/the open book. can there be more 25-may-2004 formats than one? no. what article to use? definite. right? what would u use? i realize u don't want to take sides and and get drawn into the imgroglio, but it is a matter of principle. |
| tal, both are right. game uses indefinite to indicate this format as one of many other formats (not the date, as there is only one 25 May in 2004). you are using definite to indicate this particular one as the only one. |
| Talgat, I think Game was actually right about using the indefinite article (even though the case is admittedly borderline - depending on what you want to emphasize) - "an ambiguous ... format" - an ambiguous format (one of them bastards that says 25 May 2005...) - do you see? - Good night you and the rest of you insomniacs/western hemisphere folks - we've almost come full circle. Read you tomorrow. |
| alex, at the risk of sounding - oh, i don't know, didactic, i will attempt to explain my point for the last time. if she wrote, an unambiguous format, "25-May-2004", could be used, i wouldn't have any problem with that, 'cause as u justly pointed out, there could be several unambiguous ways to write 25th of may, 2004. but there is only ONE way to write 25-May-2004, it is sui generis, only ONE format for that, that is why, it is good grammar to write THE unambiguous "25-May-2004" format. good night to u too. i will stay up for a while yet, still a couple of loose ends left that need tying up. |
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talgat, sometimes you should listen to your own advice to stop flogging a dead horse. Вот Вам уже и нейтив сказал, а Вам все неймется. Little knowledge is a dangerous thing. .. The only thing I know is that I know nothing, you don’t know even that. |
| how humble, game |
| DD-MM-YYYY is the form of writing date in Russian and British English. Americans write MM/DD/YYYY. YYYY-MM-DD is common for internet pages and, e.g., dates in Tatar. |
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2 mill – Мин татарща бельмим. But зур зур рахмат anyway. :-))) Don’t take it the wrong way. I am just glad to see somebody of my own blood here. 2 kath and alexamel – thanks for your input. Gee, I am glad this skirmish is over! |
| To all - isn't it amazing that the biggest fights in our midst seem to stem from the most innocent subjects, like this one about date spelling styles? Do you ever wonder what is wrong (or is it "right" to some?) with us? |
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Да-а-а-а..., "и эти люди будут МНЕ - запрещать ковырять в носу..." (с) :-)))))))))) Правда, Геймушка? Как так с клозетами, кстати? Прочистилось, как я погляжу? :-))))))) |
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